Source: Democracy Now, December 17, 2015
The following is a transcript of Democracy Now’s War and Peace Report, a
news show hosted by Nermeen Shaikh and Amygoodman.
Guests Douglas Colbert - professor of law at the University
of Maryland School of Law. He’s also the director of the Access to Justice
Pre-trial Clinic and founder of the Lawyers at Bail Project.
Roberto Alejandro - reporter with
OnBckgrnd.com.
In Baltimore, a mistrial
has been declared in the case of a police officer charged in the death of
Freddie Gray. Gray died in April from a spinal injury sustained while being
transported in the back of a police van. Gray’s family and attorney say his
voice box was crushed and his spine was "80 percent severed at his
neck." Six officers were charged in Freddie Gray’s death. Officer William
Porter was the first one to go to trial, charged with involuntary manslaughter,
second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office. On
Wednesday, a judge declared a mistrial after jurors were unable to reach a
verdict on any of the charges after three days of deliberation.
NERMEEN
SHAIKH: We begin today’s show in Baltimore, where a mistrial has been declared
in the case of a police officer charged in the death of Freddie Gray. Gray died
in April from a spinal injury sustained while being transported in the back of
a police van. Gray’s family and attorney say his voice box was crushed and his
spine was, quote, "80 percent severed at his neck." Six officers were
charged in Freddie Gray’s death. Officer William Porter was the first one to go
to trial, charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault,
reckless endangerment and misconduct in office.
AMY
GOODMAN: On Wednesday, a judge declared a mistrial after jurors were unable to
reach a verdict on any of the charges after three days of deliberation.
Attorneys are expected to meet this morning to decide if Officer Porter should
be tried again. Gray’s death in April sparked large protests in Baltimore. On
Wednesday, scores of Baltimore residents took to the streets again to protest
the hung jury. At least two people were arrested. Billy Murphy, an attorney for
the Gray family, described the mistrial as a temporary bump on the road to
justice.
TRANSCRIPT
FROM BILLY MURPHY: The people who say that this is not justice simply don’t
understand how the system works. Sometimes there are guilty verdicts. Sometimes
there are not guilty verdicts. And sometimes there are temporary hung juries,
where no verdict can be reached, and the cases are normally tried again. So,
this is just a temporary bump on the road to justice. It happens. It’s part of
how the system works.
AMY
GOODMAN: We’re joined right now by two guests who were inside the courtroom
Wednesday. Doug Colbert is a professor of law at the University of Maryland
School of Law. Roberto Alejandro is a reporter with OnBckgrnd.com. Doug let’s
begin with you. A hung jury, a mistrial—what does this mean?
DOUGLAS
COLBERT: Well, it means that all 12 jurors could not agree on a verdict for any
of the charges. And what’s interesting is that some of the pundits continue to
see this as a victory for the defendant. I don’t see it that way, Amy. I
attended every single day of the trial. I was there for all of the testimony.
And the prosecution presented a very strong case against [Officer William
Porter]. In many ways, he’s fortunate that he was not convicted of all of the
charges. And the jury continues to ask and consider why Officer Porter left
Freddie Gray in such a dangerous situation, when he failed to seat-belt him and
when he refused to provide him medical care, even though Freddie Gray had asked
for care and told him he had difficulty breathing.
So I
think one of the real values that we take from this trial, first of all, it
puts the prosecution in a much stronger position for a retrial—and I expect
that Officer Porter only received a temporary reprieve and will be tried a
second time. But it also allows the public to gain transparency about what
happened to Freddie Gray. And in many ways, it provides opportunity to engage
in real reform of police practice.
AMY
GOODMAN: Just to be clear, they could have—they could have convicted him on
several of the four charges—is that right?—and hung on others, but they were
hung on all four charges?
DOUGLAS
COLBERT: Yes. And what that suggests to me—and, of course, this is my educated
speculation—is that there were probably a minority, perhaps one or two jurors,
who were holdouts. I expect that at some point we will hear that the majority
of the jurors voted to convict. But when you have hardcore people on a jury who
refuse to convict on any of the charges, it led the judge to declare a
mistrial.
NERMEEN
SHAIKH: And you were in the court every day, Doug. Could you talk about what
the response was when the judge declared a mistrial?
DOUGLAS
COLBERT: Well, the media, whom I spent a good deal of time with, trying to
counter what I considered a strong pro-police perspective from other people who
were commenting, took off and, of course, wrote their reports. I think what’s
really important here, though, is the media perspective—and I certainly don’t
include all of the journalists, but there has always been a very strong
criticism against the local prosecutor for doing something that very few
prosecutors do, and that is to bring charges and to be seriously determined to
convict each of the officers. More than 98 percent of the police officers
involved in the 2,700 killings of people over the past 10 years have not had to
face criminal charges. So, our local prosecutor, Marilyn Mosby, is one of the
very few who decided to bring charges and to be serious about doing so.
AMY
GOODMAN: Roberto Alejandro, you were there, as well, reporter with OnBckgrnd.com.
What most surprised you about the case presented against Porter, as well as his
overall defense?
ROBERTO
ALEJANDRO: I mean, I think the thing that, to me, was most interesting was
really more on the defense’s side, because I feel like their strategy ran on
two tracks. There was the one track that sort of dealt with the factual issue
of where Mr. Gray was injured along the six stops that the wagon made that day
when he was arrested. But there was another track where they effectively, I
think, put the Baltimore Police Department on trial and said, "Look, this
is a department that doesn’t prepare its officers well, through the—its
training process in the academy, it has a sort of lackadaisical professional
culture, and we shouldn’t hold a 26-year-old officer, with about two-and-a-half
years’ experience when this incident happened, responsible for the culture of
the entire police department." And it was interesting to watch the defense
in this case essentially make a sort of ethical/structural argument as they
were also saying, "Don’t convict this man. Show the city that the whole
damn system isn’t guilty as hell."
NERMEEN
SHAIKH: And, Roberto, could you talk about what new evidence and testimonies
were introduced during the trial that shed more light on what actually happened
to Freddie Gray?
ROBERTO
ALEJANDRO: I don’t know that there was a ton of new evidence or anything that
was particularly surprising that came up at the trial. You know, the state
brought forward the chief medical examiner, Dr. Carol Allan, who performed the
autopsy, as well as its medical expert, Dr. Marc Soriano—excuse me, Morris Marc
Soriano. And they both presented a narrative in which Mr. Gray was injured
between the second and fourth stops. I think that is more or less the sense that
we’ve had leading up to the trial. He was injured, obviously, somewhere along
the way. And the state presented its case, and the defense presented its side
and suggested that the injury had to occur later, giving Officer Porter less
opportunities to intervene. So, to my mind, I don’t know that we saw really new
facts emerge that shed light in one direction or the other. We had two
competing narratives about where the injury had occurred, in light of facts
that were prior largely established.
NERMEEN
SHAIKH: Doug, I want to ask you about one of the charges—namely, misconduct in
office against Officer Porter. Judge Williams said it was not enough to show
that Porter failed to follow department regulations. Instead, the jury had to
find that he acted, quote, "with an evil motive in bad faith." When
the judge was asked to explain what that means, he refused to do so. Could you
talk about the significance of that?
DOUGLAS
COLBERT: Well, the judge does not want to give further direction to the jury
during deliberations. And I think the real stumbling block for at least one of
the jurors was whether Officer Porter represented the reasonable officer,
because he did what many other officers do—namely, failing to protect his
prisoner—or whether the reasonable officer is the one who follows what the
police commissioner tells every officer that they must do, which is seat-belt.
One of
the interesting things here is that Officer Porter told the investigating
detectives only five days after that Freddie Gray couldn’t breathe and was in
real danger. At trial, he said that that statement that Freddie Gray made was
made much earlier. He also told the jury that he was—it was too dangerous to
seat-belt Freddie Gray, when indeed, just seconds before that, he lifted
Freddie Gray up only inches away from him. And if Freddie Gray was able to do
anything, he could have very easily grabbed the officer’s gun. But at that
point, Freddie Gray was paralyzed, and he couldn’t do anything, and that’s what
allowed the officer to conduct the lifting up that he did.
AMY
GOODMAN: Professor Colbert, what does this mean for the next trial, that’s set
for January, Caesar Goodson, the driver of the police van? If now Porter—if
there’s a hung jury, and if today they, what, have a choice of either saying
that they will retry him or—what else could they do? Could they grant him
immunity? If they are going to retry him, that would mean he wouldn’t be
available to testify in the Caesar Goodson case.
DOUGLAS
COLBERT: Well, they could ask for Porter’s retrial to take place before
Goodson, if they wanted to do that. And that would put considerable pressure on
Porter to decide what’s the best course of action for him to take. I think he
has to be very concerned with just how strong the prosecution case was and how
ineffective, in many ways, his own testimony must have been to many of the
jurors. So, they can offer him a negotiated plea. They could grant him
immunity, which would allow him to testify for the prosecution. But, of course,
we know that there’s a code of silence among police officers that’s going to
move Officer Porter to perhaps not do what’s best for him. But at this point, I
expect the prosecution’s cases will move forward. They have learned a great
deal about the defense case. There are ways that they can improve their
prosecution. There are also ways that the defense will become stronger for the
next trial, as well.
AMY
GOODMAN: And, Roberto Alejandro, you are known for not only reporting in the
courtroom, but on the streets. The response of the community after the
announcement of the mistrial?
ROBERTO
ALEJANDRO: Yeah, after the announcement of the mistrial, I went over to Gilmor
Homes, which is the housing project in Sandtown-Winchester where Mr. Gray grew
up. I would say that the mood there was largely subdued. But the persons I
spoke to largely expressed hurt, you know, a sense that the jurors, who
represent the citizens of Baltimore in this trial, don’t care about their
community, and that that was the message they received, as well as sort of an
acute feeling that the system of justice that Mr. Porter faced was very
different than the one that they tend to face. And many people talked about the
fact that these officers are all receiving different charges, and that is not
an experience they generally have when they’re sot of at the wrong place at the
wrong time and somebody’s arrested. If you’re in the area, you’re likely to
face the same charges as your co-defendants. And so, there’s an acute sense of
that, I think, in Sandtown, that the system is lopsided, especially when it
comes to poor black residents in Baltimore City.
NERMEEN
SHAIKH: Well, some Black Lives Matter activists were less critical of the
verdict. DeRay Mckesson, who lives in Baltimore, said in an interview with The
New York Times, quote, "This is a hung jury; it’s not an acquittal. That’s
important. The prosecution resonated with the jury in some capacity—and that is
undeniable." So could you respond to that, Roberto? Was that the sense
that you had from the people in the community you spoke to?
ROBERTO
ALEJANDRO: No. I mean, I think that the—I think you have to remember that this
is a community that, for all its issues, is fairly tight-knit, and they lost
somebody that I think was cared for a great deal in that neighborhood. And so,
the sense there is that justice is something rarely that they receive, and that
this is another example of, yet again, the justice system not delivering on its
promises, where persons like them are concerned. And, you know, I understand,
especially the clip we played earlier from Mr. Murphy, you know, the justice
system plays out this way sometimes, and a hung jury is not the same as not
guilty or as a verdict at all, obviously, and they can retry the case. But Mr.
Gray doesn’t get to retry his arrest. And I think that sense probably permeates
the understanding of most residents of West Baltimore right now.
AMY
GOODMAN: We want to thank you both for being with us, Roberto Alejandro, a
reporter with OnBckgrnd.com—we’ll link to your pieces—and Douglas Colbert of
the University of Maryland School of Law. When we come back, we’re staying in
Baltimore, and we’re going to speak with Ben Jealous—who used to be head of the
NAACP, now he’s with ThinkProgress—about police departments, not only in
Baltimore, but around the country. What kind of change is happening? How are
they remaining the same? And more. Stay with us.
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Why was Officer Porter’s trial declared a mistrial? Is this announcement
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